Johnboy, you're right. I give up. I apologize. I must be suffering from THE MALE VERSION OF PMS to have even tried.

I was just trying to point out that guys don't worry all that much about public restrooms. In and out. stool or trough, tree or rock, makes no difference. Not something to even worry about (for a guy). I should think all that extra time could be spent on another beer.

2 inchs BZ = 1 inch US? You may be on to something.

Been there, done that, the washing machine ate the T-shirt