Obviously Dutch, you haven't spent much time in rural Georgia. I was raised in Georgia and visit regularly. I don't work with SAGA particularly although I do help them on occasion, when I am able and I can't understand why you even brought SAGA into this debate.

Roadkill dogs in rural Georgia are endless in my experience - I've never experienced so many dead dogs on the side of the road anywhere else in the world. I've also never seen so many abandoned and starving dogs. That said, I haven't spent much time in developing countries other than Belize and some in Eastern Europe. Georgia is far worse than anything I experienced in Eastern Europe. Dog fighting in Georgia as well as cock fighting is common as well as many other types of animal baiting using dogs. I have no problem finding either if I wish to attend as a spectator. I am not sure why you are denying that. Dog fighting is pretty common all over the southern USA. As far as I am aware, it is a significant problem all over the USA. I'm sorry that I have upset you by telling you my own experiences in the part of the USA I know best. I wasn't aware that I had made personal attacks and as I deplore that behaviour, so I apologise for any of that I may have unwittingly participated in. I don't recall mentioning deer. Please do tell me about the turds on my own doorstep that I am not addressing and I will certainly do my best to do so.

I don't think that every word that drops out of my mouth is a golden nugget and am unsure why you made that statement, but I would add that I worked, lectured and educated internationally in animal welfare for nearly 20 years, both in Europe, North America and Asia. It was my job to know these things. I am pretty well informed and while I don't want to bore people here with specifics, if you would like to contact me by PM to get further information about animal welfare internationally, I'd be more than happy to share it with you.

This is all a moot point and as often happens when people criticize Belize but are not prepared to take on criticism about their own country. Belize does a damned fine job for a new and developing country. Sadly, the USA, with all of its wealth, is not considered by others a country with a great animal welfare or environmental record internationally. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing that.

I can't see any point in continuing this conversation here unless you have some new facts to add. Please do feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss this further.

"The blood sport that often uses pit bulls trained to fight is illegal in all 50 states, but can be found across the country.
The phenomenon is increasing. It was very prevalent in the South now it's all over, in Chicago, New York, Baltimore, New York, big in Indiana, big in Wisconsin," said Michael Roach, director of field service and investigation for the Anti-Cruelty Society of Chicago.

"There are three levels of dog fighting: the street fighting level where other crimes are involved such as drugs, weapons, the hobby level and the professional level," Roach told AFP.

Bets can reach 20,000 to 30,000 dollars for bouts organized on the street and up to half a million dollars for more elaborate dog fights overseen by illegal breeders. There are some 20,000 to 40,000 dog fight fans in the United States, who operate underground and use the Internet to help organize events."

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