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Gringo is a fake, troll or what ever.

Yeah, I know, I know, you posted right after me and I was being silly!!!

every sect has problem groups. Plenty of Muslim groups have condemned 911, If you don't know this you aren't listening.

there have been plenty of bands of murderous christians throughout history. See Crusades, American Indians.

re:gringostarr: no reason for a person to have to unmask themselves. plenty of folks on here are anonymous and prefer it that way. especialy when he's under attack.

lets have a joke about christian terrorists now and see how christians like it.

seriously we have gotten religious-ism (like sexism and racism) in the western world BAD towards Islam.

its shameful.

this stuff:

Rags for clothes and towels for hats
More than one wife
You cannot shave
Your wife cannot shave
You cannot shower regularly to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung
The women have to wear baggy dresses and veils at all times
Your bride is picked by someone else
She smells just like your donkey
But your donkey has a better disposition

refers to Muslim practices. not just terrorist practices. and one word in a long 'joke' can easily be missed. the word 'terrorist" in the first line of the joke. and in this current atmosphere, i personally think its offensive and not funny.

i have Muslim friends. they are wearing around tshirts with flags on them to keep from getting harassed. one good lebanese friend who has owned a very nice restaurant here in town for years was hauled in by the fbi with all his friends after 9-11. ridiculous. an arabic or persian looking name or face and you are screwed in this environment.

not quite fair when like a few freakos did the damage. tis called racism.

terrorism = not fighting by the 'established' rules of warfare.

see George Washington, 1776. shooting from behind trees.

basic rule of war. strike at the level you are capable.

i am a quaker pacifist. i do not believe in violence to solve problems. others disagree. thats fine. but historical perspective is needed in order to knowledgably analyze a situation.

til recently, all Israeli presidents had at one time been 'terrorists'. Begin planted bombs all over the middle east. George Washington was a terrorist to the British. Custer was a terrorist to the Indians. The indians were terrorists to Custer.

labels just don't work. they muddy the puddle.

discuss the guilty people and what they did, not their religion, how often they shave, whether they have tailgate parties, what they wear, or how they pray.

"discuss the guilty people and what they did, not their religion" ....No, Marty, their religion is much of what feeds their actions. It needs to be discussed.

I'm a very un-religious person. I'm fine with the idea of something much bigger than us out there (a "god" if you like). But! I'm satisfied that none of the various religions have the mystery of what it is and how we should deal with it figured out right.

In fact sometimes I think religion is daft....I suppose if I had to become religious I'd pick Buddism...pretty mellow stuff there, that fat guy statue at the entrance of Chinese restaurants doesn't look too harmful to me.

I'm not particularly nauseated by the use of religion as a terror tactic. Bad people will do what works. Rather, I'm just astonished that in this day and age young men believe so much in what they're fed by their religious leaders as to go to the extreme of blowing themselves up.

Marty: "there have been plenty of bands of murderous christians throughout history. See Crusades, American Indians." ....yes, but that wasn't me and what happened then can't possibly be used to justify what is happening now.

It's all bad and it's all very sad.

its NOT their religion that leads to hatred

find a passage in the Koran that says anything like 'kill thy neighbor'

the Wahhabi branch is more hard core, but they are only a branch.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/Vol1/9d.html

A small group founded by al-Wahhab in the eighteenth century, but it was the primary force in the creation of the state of Saudi Arabia in 1932, the country of the cities of Mecca and Medina, and from them, the Wahhabi have influenced Muslims throughout the world who go into the pilgrimage to Mecca.

They are the Puritans of the Muslims, with the most strict, severely enforced moral standard of conduct, and their call for a pure Islam regulated by a literal interpretation of the Koran.

For them, it is a polytheism to visit the graves of the saints, and they are against observance of the feast of the Birth of the Prophet... and they discourage such Western innovations as cinema and dancing.

Although this has been an interesting, emotional, angry and judgemental thread I think LaurieMar copied an e-mail she received!!
Why are some people so quick to jump on a post?
Too much bad energy on the board these days...
Happy Birthday Belize!

It is an e-mail I received from a Muslim gentleman and gentle man named Paul, who runs, yes - a convenience store in my neighborhood for the past 7 years. His family escaped from Northern Pakistan, where many of the above list are a fact of life. He has seen people tortured, killed, etc for defiance by evil people (he describes as extremists and Muslim terrorists who want to destroy Western world beliefs and freedoms) and that is exactly why he is here. And, that is the only point of the e-mail. He has had his store windows smashed in because he hangs an American flag. I have helped him legally, to the best of my ability.

When the family first arrived, they were freaked out: wore the traditional clothing, etc. His wife is gorgeous and it did not take them long to realize that it was okay to wear makeup, shorts, and show their face. They are hard-working, honest folk who are actually embarrased by some of the extremist Islamic beliefs.

To assume, when you have never met me, that I am racist, is an insult. Too many people jump on the "racist bandwagon" when this is not about race, it is about a very real, sorry state that some Islamic people have been subjected to all over the world. His e-mail solely concerned extremist Islamic beliefs, which often breed terrorism, and the violence they often generate. And, no wonder to me. I am not a religious person - my Church on Sunday is the "Church of the Blue Sky" because I would rather be outside enjoying myself. I am not a scholar on the teachings of Islam and I doubt any of you are either.

These freaks are the exact reason why 911 occurred and why you can no longer take even a bottle of water on a jet.

He is right where he wants to be and should be. He also enjoys all the freedoms and foods that he wants to, without being scared for his life and the lives of his wife and children. He told me there are passages in the Koran that support beatings of a wife. And, he also thinks his wife looks great in a mini skirt!

I now rest my case. Put me in the dog house with the Pope.