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collyk said, "I am coming there to chill out and relax, not worry about getting lectured by right wing radicals. Not everyone in the world thinks that the USA is a good place and not everyone in the world thinks that the occupation of Iraq is either legal or moral and not everyone in the USA thinks that being conscripted by what they perceive to be an unelected,corrupt government constitutes 'fighting for their country'."

I say, "To those that fall in the above category, they have an option, one they never exercise however, and that is, move to another country". I wonder why?

collyk also said, "As my mum said, if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your fat mouth shut."
Good advice from your mum! I'd like to modify it somewhat. "If you don't have anything nice to say about America, keep your fat mouth shut."
God Bless America.

Part of being an American is EXERCISING your right to disagree with what your government is doing. What frightens me lately in America is the observation that all too frequently when someone actually DOES this everyone gets all over their case like white on rice and tells them in subtle or not so subtle ways that they are NOT patriotic, that they are UN American (they should MOVE to another country because in their hearts they truly feel that the war is unjust and they believe the occupation of Iraq is not moral??? Huh? When did THIS happen in my country? If we had to act like we ALL thought alike, America WOULD be another country!! Cold War Russia or Nazi Germany!) Many wars were fought in the past expressly to protect freedom of speech and I'm sure MANY people (my grandad, dad, uncles all) GLADLY fought and/or died for that...so what's the problem with people actually USING that freedom? I don't get it. I may disagree with you but I will FIGHT for your right to disagree...not tell you to get the h**l OUT because you don't share my views. Why protect a freedom no one can actually USE???? It doesn't make any sense. If this "troll" stirred up the pot some it's revealing some really murky things.

Sirena

I think what has caused ire here is the "I don't like it, so I'll leave" mentality. No we don't all share the same views about what our govenment does,and we have every right to voice our opinion. We can express that at the polls and a hundred other ways, but we stay and try to work at it. Sure hope that is the message I sent to our kids when they were 18. Postulating that the U.S. government staged 9/11 and quoting sources that are right up there with the National Enquirer, probably added a little fuel to the fire. This is not a deep thinker.!

I do not have a problem with people expressing their views and objecting to policies of the government that they disagree with. What I have a problem with is people who do not stand on their principles and only use their objections to their advantage or when it suits them. I do not have a problem with the true consciences objector that stands by his principle and accepts the alternative that society has ruled i.e.; go to jail. I do not have a problem with the person who uses civil disobedience and demonstrates to support their principles as long as they are willing to accept the consequences that society and the rule of law have deemed appropriate. I have a problem with the person who finds fault with war, any war can be found to have fault, only when it might effect them.

If a person is willing to take what a country offers, both the good and bad and live with both, I have no problem with that. If they only want to take the good and not give back by serving when their country calls or by standing on their true principles and trying to effect change even if that causes them a personal sacrifice, I do not think they deserve to live in that country and should move elsewhere.

Back on the subject, I expressed my objections to luathas position that "people in Nashville do not report their income" and "work under the table". And it appeared to me that he condoned that behavior and was enquirering to see if he could do the same thing is Belize and he would be moving their to keep his daughter from serving her country or at least remaining and standing on her principles, if those were her principles. I disagree with both those reasons to come to Belize and in a way I believe I am doing him a favor by saying so. If he comes with that attitude, he is in for difficult times and will possibly suffer legal consequences more sever than the ones he is running away from in the US. And not to be so presumptive as to suggest what he might do, but I have seen others with similar attitudes that the first phone call they make when they get in trouble is to the US Embassy.

collyk said: "This thread has frightened me a bit about what I am likely to encounter in Ambergris Caye. I am coming there to chill out and relax, not worry about getting lectured by right wing radicals."
None of these people live in Belize. You won't be confronted with radical lecturers. Come to visit. You'll meet friendly peaceful folks.

Beautifully stated, bywarren.

Sirena said, "Part of being an American is EXERCISING your right to disagree with what your government is doing."

I'm in total agreement Sirena, what ticks me off however, is when the "disagreeing" is done with obvious hatred towards America. (My sensitivity may have something to do with serving my country during two wars and loosing some close friends in each one.)
Nothing wrong with disagreeing, that's what can bring about changes. Hopefully, changes for the better.
But bad mouthing the greatest country in the world (with all its faults) is not in the same category as disagreeing. When I disagree with some of my countries actions, I never loose sight of all the great things this country has made available to me. So, to those of you inclined to disagree with your government, do so to your heart's content. That's the beauty of being an American. But do so without the hatred towards our country.

Thank you Jesse!!!
This board can get rough. Belize and Caye Caulker welcome all who come. Consider staying on Caye Caulker and visiting A.C. and other locales of Belize.
PEACE be with you ALL!
Dan

Jesse is right, you will meet a lot of friendly people in Belize. Keep in mind, these are responses to what was asked or stated. If you run into me in Belize and ask for my opinion, you will get it in person just as you get it here. If you don't ask for it, you will not get it.

Agree with Lovey and Seashell...sounds like a troll.

I sure hope he/she is a troll. My short fuse was getting pretty damn short. I am proud of myself for keeping my big mouth shut. I am also proud of my Country !