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Well I am glad to say that I agree with most people here except on the bit that the USA is the greatest country in the world and I do have the right to say that whether anyone agrees with me or not. I am not in anyway hypocritical. I choose not to live in the USA and despite my citizenship, it is unlikely I ever will. Assumptions assumptions! I have spent enough time there to know that I could not live there for just the reasons expressed. While on one hand (a small but vocal minority) believe that the USA is the greatest country, land of the free and all that but on the other hand, if you don't agree with them, you have no right to be there at best or are physically attacked at worst (this happenned to my family because I am white and went to homecoming with a black man) or despite the fact that someone is naturalised and is a patriotic and proud American from another country, the community can turn on you terribly when things go wrong (my mother is French by birth and suffered terribly at the beginning of the current middle east conflict; people she had worked with for 30 years treated her like shit). The whole concept of the right to bear arms was laid in the consitution to allow people to take arms against their rulers. Of course, anyone who did this in the USA now would be called a terrorist. Unfortunately that small, right wing minority also contains the nutters who have no hesitation in hurting people who do not toe their moralistic or political line and who justify their behaviour by calling it patriotic. Because I treasure diversity, debate, growth and education, I live in a country where I can feel free to live the way I want to live, be who I want to be and feel safe from being attacked by my so-called fellow country folk. There are lots of great things about the USA, but unless I want to live in a big city there, I know that the fact that I am a bit unconventional would make my life a misery. I have to admit, this makes me sad.

He is so not gellin'.

A Few Quotes from Great Patriots:

George W. Bush: "if you are not with us, then you are with the terrorists"

Thomas Jefferson: "The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object."

Thomas Jefferson: "It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."

Dwight Eisenhower: "In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."

Benjamin Frankin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Woodrow Wilson: "The history of liberty is a history of limitation of government power, not the increase of it."

Ronald Reagan: "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Daniel Webster: "There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

George Washington: "The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments."

Thomas Paine: "That government is best which governs least."

Aristotle: "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."

George W. Bush "Do I think faith will be an important part of being a good president? Yes, I do."

collyk - just one more thing needs explained: if you dislike the countyr of your birth so much, and in your owne words, likely will never live there, Why do you keep your citizenship? Why not obtain citizenship in thatland of Utopia you have found? Could it be that it's "just in case" ya wanna come crawling home?

It's highly doubtful that the ENTIRE US would treat you unjustly (yet you lump all of us together just as you accuse others of doing), for dating a person of another race

klc man..I have mentioned assumptions here once too many...lets see..I don't dislike the country of my birth but then again I wasn't born in the USA..I also don't dislike the USA..I couldn't live there and I don't like the power of the right wing minority but if you read my posts you will see that I mention how often I defend the USA from criticism...I love the USA..I think it is one of the most beautiful countries..I think the good people are some of the best people in the world...I do have citizenship of the country I live in which is not utopia by a long shot. My family are USA citizens and I don't actively keep my USA citizenship, I don't even carry a USA passport. On the same note, I can see no reason to actively bother to dispose of my citizenship. I don't consider the USA home. I am lucky that I have a triple nationality so I have no need to go back to live in the USA. I haven't lived there for over 20 years. I have a European passport which means that I can live and work in any country in Europe. Why would I want to go back to the USA to live? I agree with you completely that the entire US would treat me badly and I stated several times that I was talking about a minority of USA folk. The issue of going to homecoming (I wasn't even dating him, he was my best friend and a musician in my band) with a black guy is one of many problems I encountered directly and indirectly when living in the USA. The awful treatment my mother received only ocurred a year or so ago.klcman, you might want to read things thoroughly before responding instead of getting your knickers in a twist.

Now, back to Ambergris Caye.

well collyk, go ahead and do what ever it is you feel like doing. I don't know why your feelings about the US should really have that much impact on your decision. If you want to try Belize, try it. If it doesn't work out, it won't. Then you can go back to whatever country it is that you call home.

dbdoberman my feelings about the USA have no impact on whatever I am doing..unless there is a reason for me to think about the USA, I don't really think about it. This thread was started by someone else and I contributed and was subsequently responded to by people who didn't agree with me. We had a discussion. End of story. Not sure at all what point you were trying to make.

I didn't understand that making a point was a criteria for posting on this thread, as most of it seemed pointless to me. But, my comment was meant for luathas, sorry about that collyk. In the confusion of a heated topic, sometime names seem, why, interchangable.

Oh please..get over yourself..if you want to have the last word..fine..but a bit of advice..sarcasm and insinuation will be honoured with a response from me, however much they seem, why, undeserving.

Did you happen to see his apology to you, I did....