ArtZ, that is terrible about your hubby and his 'crate-thoughts'. Alas my hubby too erroneously believes it to be cruel to crate a dog. Silly men, they should be crated. Tee heeh.. I was so proud of my most recent rescue. After 8 years of hard time he was potty trained in 5 weeks with only 3 peepee accidents in the house. And friend, this guy is NOT the smartest in the bunch, but he is the favorite! laugh