thanks klc I will have a nice night, nice of you to be so thoughtful. I agree in part with Chloe's comment, in that most people are happy to pay and tip for good food and service, and of course its not up to the patron to train/instruct the help!! However tipping, just for the sake of tipping, does nothing to help staff that is not attentive... and by this I do not mean the obvious new staff that is trying their best, and make a few mistakes... I mean the staff that couldnt give a sh.. whether or not they do a good job or not! As for inane comments, NY gal, Jesse, KLC, Chloe's first posts and doggums..... just one question, why, if you are going to respond to a post, would you not try to at least make a pertinent comment? Or, on the other hand, if the original post is made by someone you dislike, why bother post at all?