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Bucky, I just can't stand to listen to any more people say that prop 8 is about 'the definition of marriage'. Being in support of stripping people of a right that they already had, and that has literally ZERO effect on your life whatsoever, tells quite a bit about a person's makeup. Admit it for what it is, a prejudiced attitude against homosexuals and their fight for equality. You can spin it any way you want, but anyone who knows anything knows that prop 8 was not about maintaining Webster's definition of the word 'marriage', so much as it was to show homosexuals that the majority of Californians (and people from other states who supported it) unfortunately still see them as something other than equal to straight people, behind the shield of 'the definition of marriage'. Sad. Not to mention how surprising it is to me to see people standing up and proudly supporting what amounts to prejudiced agenda. Very, very sad. To me it's the same as someone standing on the street corner with a KKK sign. Unbelievable.

You can find some of them them here. http://www.lds.org

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

Thomas Jefferson

Sorry to continue the hijack...but I just have to say that I was very surprised and saddened at the Prop 8 result. Made me feel very naive. I thought we had finally "grown up" as a nation, but I see now that we still have a long ways to go.

last week, i saw a comedian note the interesting observation that Prop 8 was particularly voted down by minorities - those who fought for civil liberties not so long ago, now voted to restrict others' civil liberties.

just an observation.

Now, if I ever meet this commie bastard, I'd just point my gun at him and say: "git off my land!"

Interesting perspective as Jefferson did quite a bit to ensure your right to own that gun...His proposal for the Virginia Constitution of 1776, "No freeman shall ever be de-barred the use of arms" says quite a bit about his position.

A reply has been posted on a new thread in the US chat section, under Prop 8

Does anyone else agree that this board is not the place to discuss California politics? Enough of the Prop 8 exchange already!