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Originally Posted by Peter Jones
Originally Posted by Amanda Syme
you would think, that at some point, they MIGHT begin to recognize people that live here

There's a fellow who cycles up and down the beach and around town selling wood carvings. He's a pleasant chap and I've often chatted with him. I've known him for years. Yet always he asks me if I want to buy a carving to take home with me. Perhaps he doesn't have good eyesight and doesn't recognise people - I have that problem sometimes.


Lennox or "Lenny" - he can be annoying, but will go away if you tell him firmly "no thanks". He is always trying to sell me "sticky". Pot.
We tell the timeshare folks we own and they leave us alone. I am sure it helps if you have a guy with you and I can have a pretty nasty look on my face when I say no. One did tell us to F-off and I turned around and headed back at him and asked him what he just said to me and he took off.


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Peter, I know exactly who you're talking about. I could run into him every day for a week and he still ask me to buy a carving or to borrow money.


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Elbert. Call Ernie at Capt Morgans. I did last week as people were getting harrassed in exactly the same way outside our house. He was upset at first but in the end understood it was better I call him than the Police or Town Board. He said he didn't want them operating like this and wanted them to work in the legal route from the booths - he wanted to know who it was, but I just wanted him to know it was a general issue rather than drop one individual in the doo doo, but he's in one of your pictures so it wasn't a one off.

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At the end of the day this is what it's about. We really don't want a few individuals getting this whole place a poor name and bad reputation:-

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As this is my neighborhood when I'm in San Pedro, I find this very disheartening frown I have been badgered almost to the point of tears by time share 'associates' and it plays heavily into my decision to return to San Pedro year after year.

...and I'm here to tell you that if it's as bad next month as it was in January '08, it will be a very, very difficult decision for '11.

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Originally Posted by Peter Jones
At the end of the day this is what it's about. We really don't want a few individuals getting this whole place a poor name and bad reputation:-


You talking about the island or this board! Sorry - couldn't resist.


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I'm looking to relocate to Belize !
30 years experience in Real Estate , and Financing .
Can anyone direct me to some people in Belize who might need some help sales , financing contacts etc !

Happy Holidays !

Gary


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try posting in the right thread if you expect positive results Gary.

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For crying out loud......we do a three mile walk on the beach every morning while we are staying in SP and have been approached several days in a row by the same timeshare people. If they stop you, just tell them you aren't interested and then ask their names and a little about them. If you say good morning and call them by name the next time, they know you aren't interested and have talked to them before. We just share a little banter with them after that and keep walking.

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This is an editorial I wrote on timeshares in Belize First Magazine way back in 1996. The statistics may have changed a bit since then, but my opinions haven't.

Unfortunately, the suckers ... er, owners ... of timeshares delude themselves into believing that timeshares are a reasonable "investment" and that timeshares don't hurt tourism in a place like San Pedro. They aren't, and they do.

--Lan Sluder

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Timeshares are starting to show up in Belize, with timeshare conversions from existing properties or new developments taking place on Ambergris Caye, in Placencia, and even on remote cayes. Expect to see more of these in Belize, as frustrated hotel owners turn to timeshare conversions as a way to get out of a money-losing resort proposition, and promoters come to where the fast bucks can be made without much legal oversight or control.

On the surface, timeshares may seem like a good idea for everyone. For the developer, it's a way to add value to a property. A US$500,000 property might be worth a million or even two if successfully developed as a timeshare. For tourists, timeshares in theory are a way to lock in a desirable condo-style accommodation in a sought-after area at a fixed price. And for the government and local businesses, timeshares - again in theory - can bring affluent visitors back again and again, spreading money around the local economy each time.

Timeshares indeed are a boom industry. Recent studies show that "interval ownership" sales hit US$5 billion annually, with more than 3 million owners around the world. The involvement of Disney, Marriott, and Hilton has brought new credibility to the industry.

But, for a lot of people, the reality of timeshares is different from the theory. That's especially true in places like Belize, where consumer protection statutes - such as restrictions on marketing practices or the 10-day "cooling off period" granted by some U.S. states to timeshare buyers, to give them a chance to change their mind following high-pressure sales tactics - may not be in place or difficult to enforce.

Timeshares can bring more problems than they are worth, and I encourage Belize tourism operators to think twice, at least, before getting involved in any timeshare operation. And I urge Belize travelers to approach any timeshare with a very skeptical eye.

Here are just a few of the problems that can plague timeshares:

It's easy to buy a timeshare, but very, very, very difficult to sell one. A poll of 485 timeshare owners by the Resort Property Owners Association discovered that 58% said they had been trying to sell their timeshares for an average of 4.4 years, but only about 3% of those with units on the market had been able to sell. Some had been trying to unload their units for as long as 11 years. Because marketing costs constitute up to 50% of the sales price - that's how timeshare salespeople can afford that flashy jewelry - the moment you buy your dream vacation home it drops in value by up to one-half.

High-pressure sales techniques hurt not only buyers but local businesses and the tourism industry in general. One of the biggest complaints in tourist areas such as Cancun and Hawaii is the relentless pursuit of tourists by touts trying to round up prospects for sales presentations. Some states, including Hawaii, have had to pass legislation controlling timeshare solicitations.

Timeshares attract some of the least-desirable types of developers. Yes, Disney and Marriott have brought new quality to the industry. But Disney and Marriott are not going to be developing in Belize anytime in the next few centuries. They stay in places like Orlando, where almost one-third U.S. timeshares are located, and which gets more tourists in one month than the entire country of Belize gets in 10 years. Belize, like some other Caribbean destinations, offers "low regulation" markets where almost anything goes, and the worst type of timeshare abuses are possible.

Even the best timeshare can get old fast. With each unit in a timeshare being divided into 40 or 50 separate pieces, a timeshare development quickly ends up with hundreds or even thousands of owners, spread around the globe. Add to that the fact that the big money in timeshares is made in sales, not in management, and you have a recipe for real estate disaster - fragmented ownership and unmotivated management. Easily can happen here what happened in the 1980s in New Orleans, then the urban timeshare capital of the U.S. Timeshare owners made their cream, then took a powder, leaving once-ritzy timeshare developments to the termites, with far flung owners perplexed, disillusioned, and missing thousands of dollars.

The real cost of timeshares too often leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Owners get tired of paying hundreds of dollars a year in maintenance fees, taxes, and "assessments" - often these fees alone add up to the cost of a stay at a first-class hotel. They become frustrated by the deteriorating condition of the development and their total inability to recover the US$5,000 or $10,000 they "invested" in the timeshare (the average timeshare costs US$7,500.) For their part, local business people and tourism operators tire of the bad image timeshares bring to their area, and they find the promises of new local jobs and more tourism didn't quite pan out. Even government gets the shaft, because it's left with a resort that nobody pays taxes on, and a big, fat mess to clean up.

Belize is a special place. Its appeal for visitors is in its jungle lodges and small seaside resorts and inns, not in glitzy, high-pressure timeshares.

Timeshares may have their place, but in my opinion that place is Orlando or Hilton Head or St. Maarten or Cancun, not Belize.

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Lan Sluder is editor and publisher of BELIZE FIRST Magazine. He has never owned a timeshare, but as a newspaper editor and reporter he did cover the timeshare industry in New Orleans in the 1980s.


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In the process of searching the Caribbean for an island to live on
I visited almost 20 (tough job), thoes islands that had timeshare pestilence got marked off the list of choices quickly.
San Pedro didn't have them when I moved here and I not leaving because of them so its 'War' as the locals say.


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