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i heard bout it.

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That's so convenient for people who live on the cayes or miles down south.

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Peter: Where would you suggest having a meeting?

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Originally Posted by hazzyy


Well this is interesting, and also misleading if you read it at face value. Texaco did admittedly do an appalling job in Ecuador. The trouble is that they did this nearly thirty years ago when there was just simply not the same amount of environmental awareness that there is today. The muds they used were lignosulphates and chromium was added to enhance temperature stability of the mud.
Those muds have now been banned for decades.
Also in those days, the reserve pits were just simply holes in the ground into which all the cuttings from the well were poured, including whatever mud the shale shakers couldn't get off them , as well as when the clay content of the mud got too high, then the mud was partially dumped and diluted with fresh mud to get the clay down.
Today, all of this is totally outlawed. The oil company environmentalists don't even allow you to consider it.
When I was in Trinidad we bought some old leases in Central Block off another oil company, who had bought them from otheres etc. etc.leases. Pretty much exactly the same thing had been done that was done in Ecuador. The only reason we found out about it was that our environmentalist couldn't find a single thing alive in the stream that ran by the side of the lease. no fish, no molluscs, no shrimp, nothing.
The levels were so high down slope from the old reserve pits that we spent six months of the dry season with a bio-remediation company digging away all of the topsoil, and all of the creek bed (for miles and miles). The contaminated topsoil could not be disposed of anywhere except by pumping it down the annulus of an old well so it was thousands of feet below ground and way below any aquifers etc.
Today, I couldn't say if the stream is back to normal, but there are critters in there again. The two drilling sites have a small gas plant on them, and if you take your chair and sit quietly outside you will see a multitude of birds and small mammals, red howler monkeys, and an unbelievable amount of snakes. There is no where on those two sites that you wouldn't pick up a sandwich if it fell and eat it.
But then we get articles like this that does nobody any good. I personally don't have a clue what is happening today in Ecuador. One set of people will say that the problems have all gone away, and the others will say it is terrible and they want money.
I do know however that oil companies did have very dirty pasts, but those days are generally long gone. Oil companies don't generally do the drilling, nor do they generally provide the mud. They do the planning though, and if they did plan a site that was going to be damaging, then all of the service companies would normally refuse to play along because of the shotgun litigation that follows.

In conclusion, what I am saying is that what happened thirty years ago is not what will happen today. It just won't. Go and take a look at Spanish Lookout and have a look at BNE's development. I personally think it is dreadful, but at least there are no reserve pits left festering, There are not large globs of oil being washed into the many streams. There just isn't the environmental devastation that oil developments used to walk hand in hand with.

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Thats all great and as it should, not something special. Your basic false premise is "It can't happen here". Me and many others dont trust the oil companies and their reps nor do we trust the govt to represent us properly and make decisions in our best interest. They represent themselves. Both the GOB and Oil. Ask anybody. After you have lived here a while and see the cycle repeated several times you come to recognize it. Any idea why this was done without consultation? I do. The public outcry would have shut it down.
I just found out our Town Board knows nothing of this. You have much to learn in Belize. Do you know who controls the country? elected officials? their relatives and friends? Their financiers? Lawyers? Big businessmen? Private sector? the established bureaucrats in the various departments? The voice of the people? the press? Who's the strongest? Do you know?
Before you decide I am PUP I will inform you that has been a fun game for years. When we are red in they are sure I am Big Blue. When blue is in they are sure I am Big Red. I have held elected office under both. Don't be sharpening your bits just yet.

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Originally Posted by Mike Campbell
Don't be sharpening your bits just yet.


And don't be kidding yourself that there won't be any oil drilling because there will be.
Oil is like a drug to everyone. We all use huge quantities of it. Our power and water supplies depend on it, our use of plastics, our vehicles, fertilisers, medicines, hell it is even made into cattle feed. The chances of the Belize government getting some for free, will make sure that no matter what
I am willing to bet that if the readers of this forum were offered US$50 million each to ignore drilling then there would hardly be a one of them that turned it down. From there it just becomes a matter of price. I will bet you right here, right now, that there will be drilling in Belizean waters. There is not a government in the world that doesn't give in eventually. Hell they are even now having second thoughts about their knee jerk moratorium in the USA now it turns out that Salazar is a snake,
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ted-views-justify-offshore-drilling-ban/

You see that is why I would rather work with the government to ensure that proper controls are put in place, environmental laws are not flouted, and drilling is conducted safely.
I will never have any say in who takes the money and runs, but that is not what lights my fire anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mike Campbell
Your basic false premise is "It can't happen here".


Not actually a false premise at all is it. There is no way whatsoever that what happened in the Gulf would happen in Belize. Drilling in Belize is fundamentally different than deep water drilling in the gulf. Plus the chances of there actually being any oil down there are so infinitesimally small, that I wonder if the whole thing is not some money laundering exercise.

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One huge difference to me is the depth of the water if there is an accident. The gulf is thousands of feet deep. The oil can disperse somewhat. A big amount of oil in the shallows between the mainland and the Caye's would cause a heck of a problem. No depth to disperse. Big thick layer of yuck with no place to go.

I am no expert, but that is the thing i have worried about. Inside the reef. So shallow.

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So you believe we could not possibly have a leak or some unexpected accident due to human error? The problem is only one incident would potentially cause catastrophic results. Unfortunately we cannt control everything, especially in our ever changing environment. The fact is about the only people who are in favor of this are those who stand to profit. Yes I would certainly consider my $50M is that being offered to us all? We would use it to surround all rigs with layers of protection for our environment. Maybe you could just get them to give the money to build our highway.
You are very hollow and transparent as all know. You originally said you were working for no one in Belize, just more oil company double talk as you obviously have a dog in this fight. Beating a conservationists rhythm on the head of an oil drum is just not very convincing. Who do you work for? What is your interest in offshore drilling in Belize? Do you really think that you will have the slightest effect on what path the gov takes, what kind of equipment etc? Maybe the oil companies can try to intimidate the govt but not the people of Belize who may have more clout than you think. Belize is not like most places. Quite often money changes hands and then nothing happens they just take the money and still do as they please. We have a very interesting country.
Our small size puts politics on a more personal level, we know everyone, their relatives and where they live, True for everybody. You cannt escape your political decisions in this country. Everyone will know what happened and socially that kind of thing can be very embarrassing and they follow you for years being politics is our national sport. In our country private sector is stronger than public sector. We routinely make the govt change its laws, not as much as we wish but we are all heard here. If they dont listen they pay the political price which is the very most important thing to them, not economy or ecology or anything except their political skins. If you really believe it cannt happen here you are a fool sir. Your oil company double speak is getting boring, do you have any original thoughts?

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From Ch 5

There is word tonight that the newly organized coalition against oil exploration will get the support of a powerful ally. That can come in the next few days from the National Trade Union Congress of Belize which is the umbrella organization for the Christian Workers Union, the Belize National Teachers Union, Belize Water Services Workers Union, Belize Energy Workers Union, Public Service Union, Belize Communication Workers Union and the Belize Workers Union. It's the strongest organized group in the country and has through words, marches, and protests helped to shape the voice of the people. The N.T.U.C.B. is in serious discussions this week to decide whether or not it will join another coalition that has been amassing membership from all aspects of society over the past few weeks. That's right, the N.T.U.C.B. is about to determine whether or not it will join the Belize Coalition to Save our Natural Heritage. News Five spoke to Jackie Willoughby Sanchez, NTUCB's General Secretary, to find when a decision would be made.

Jackie Willoughby Sanchez, General Secretary, N.T.U.C.B.

"The general principal we have is we are against offshore drilling. The environmental factors that are affecting it is not very clear to all of us, so we are making sure we consult with our affiliates as well as we are having meetings with the coalition-just to get a clear and broader understanding of the impact it has on the environment. But early on, we wrote to the Prime Minister to declare all the contracts. We haven't gotten any response from him, but we did write to the Prime Minister."

Jose Sanchez

"With Island Oil seen as a Guatemalan company, it seems to be a sovereign issue. N.T.U.C.B. is known to be very strong and very vocal. Is this something that is very particular upsetting?"

Jackie Willoughby Sanchez

"We have not yet met since that information come out. But if I can speak of the perspective of Miss Willoughby, I would definitely that it is definitely disturbing. This is a country that has a claim on your country, but yet you give them a company, a legal person to come and operate here in the precious area that they are claiming. It goes back to my concern that I consistently ask the Attorney General: "Can you say by our conduct that we have not been relinquishing our own rights to the Guatemalans?"

Jose Sanchez

"I know the B.N.T.U. seems to be leaning in this same direction also. How soon can we see a unified voice of the N.T.U.C.B. saying either we are for or against?"

Jackie Willoughby Sanchez

"We're supposed to be meeting on Friday and so I believe shortly thereafter you will be hearing something."


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