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Originally Posted by seashell
Chunky, mayhap Rykat was making an offer?


Have met Harriet.......................uh..............no.
But have a surrogate in mind! wink

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That was even more mean, Rykat. Lighten up.


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Ryats vulgar comments have even caused me to reevaluate my own stance on this whole lights issue. Exactly what type of people are we turning the lights on for. I think Id rather be mugged.

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Thanks Chris for the explanation. Maybe I'm reading your reply incorrectly but it sounds like $528 BZE per light plus electric charges of ___ per kilowatt hour? This seems like a lot of money with no commitment of who would be responsible for future payments i.e. property taxes, neighborhood association fees, etc.

I know nothing of BEL but I would think a business that operates on profit/loss maybe inclined to use the least expensive and most profitable alternative to solve the problem. Which is usually not the greenist or the most attractive. Another consideration is if BEL bills businesses differently than individuals? I ask because some places I have lived billed higher pkh for larger consumers and if this is the case; it has a great bearing on who becomes responsible for the usage charges later.

Also, again correct me if I am wrong; the road in question is not properly built with drainage & grading and such. So there's a very real possibility that the more the north grows, the more likely a more proper road may be installed? How much of the lighting will need to be moved or replaced? I agree that progress is going to happen; but it seems logical that there may be an order that causes the least amount of overall disruption and less doubling of costs?

I appreciate that this sounds a bit snippy-believe me that I do not intend it that way. I am genuinely curious about city planning and the inevitable growth of La Isla Bonita.


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Bravo Harriete! I do applaud you for not retaliating. Having been on a small town city council and having been employed by a developer who worked that town for his own purposes; I understand all too well the lure of the almighty buck.

I too am "an old, fat, gringa" and look forward to moving there toward the end of the year. I hope that I can feel safe alone as well, my husband may be several months behind me. Thanks for hanging in there. I for one value all of the insights given here.



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http://www.mnn.com/your-home/remodeling-design/stories/5-ways-you-can-reduce-light-pollution

5 ways you can reduce light pollution

This form of pollution contributes to carbon emissions and interferes with animal migration. Take these simple steps to reduce it.

Darkness is as essential to our biological welfare, to our internal clockwork, as light itself. -Verlyn Klinkenborg, Our Vanishing Night

If - like most people - you live in a city, it's unlikely you can see the gossamer expanse of the Milky Way. It's possible you've never spotted it at all. For most urbanites, the nighttime sky is a pink glow broken only by the moon, the brightest stars and passing airplanes.

This is the form of pollution most people have forgotten: light pollution. And while undark skies may not rank in importance alongside the chemical trash we routinely dump into the atmosphere, the continuous, unblinking glare of modern life is not without its impact on wildlife, dwindling energy resources and human health.

What's the big deal about light pollution?
Light pollution is so widespread, so universal, so common to urban life that we hardly give it a thought. Set poetry aside for the moment - the great severing of our ancient connection to the constellations as they wheel gently through night and season. We are still confronted with four specific areas of concern regarding light pollution:

• Light pollution interferes with wildlife migratory and breeding patterns
• Unnecessary outdoor lighting wastes energy and contributes to greenhouse gas emissions
• Glare from bad lighting leads to unsafe driving conditions, particularly for older motorists
• Constant exposure to artificial lighting may interfere with human metabolism and sleep

These problems are sufficiently severe that the American Medical Association voted unanimously to support efforts to control light pollution. The U.S. Congress is expected to take up the issue of light pollution in hearings scheduled for July 13 and 14, 2009.

Here's how you can help curb light pollution

1) Start with the light switch. The cheapest, most obvious and most effective way to reduce light pollution is to start turning things off. While there's a time and place for outdoor lighting - illuminating after dark activities, for instance - many of us burn porch and spot lighting because it gives us a sense of security. In fact, there's little data to support the idea that outdoor lighting reduces crime. Turn on lights when you need them, or use portable lighting. Go dark when you don't.

2) Check with your power company to see if you're paying for outdoor lighting. It's possible you're being billed for that nasty sodium vapor lamp down at the street. Many utilities charge $5 to $10 a month for this service. A quick check of your bill or a call to Customer Service will tell the story. If this turns out to be the case, terminate the charge and ask that the light be removed. Most power companies are happy to oblige.

3) Consider replacing outdoor lights with intelligently designed, low-glare fixtures. Did you know there is a certification body for sky-friendly outdoor lighting? The International Dark-Sky Association evaluates fixtures for low glare and efficiency. Look for the IDA seal of approval on locally sourced fixtures, or seek out a company such as Starry Night Lights, which specializes in low-pollution lighting. They also maintain a blog on light pollution and related issues.

4) Place motion sensors on essential outdoor lamps. Lighting on demand trumps a manual switch or timer. Motion sensitive switches will light up porches and walkways when you need to move around after dark. They'll pay for themselves in fairly short order.

5) Replace conventional high-energy bulbs with efficient outdoor CFLs and LED floodlights. While efficiency lighting won't directly keep all those stray lumens from bouncing around, it will take some of the sting out of your monthly bill and reduce power company carbon emissions. Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that CFLs and LEDs are a green light to be sloppy about switching things off. While you're at it, see whether low-wattage, solar powered walkway lamps might replace area lighting. They're inexpensive and practically free to operate.

Now - enjoy the darkness!
You'll be surprised how much squelching a few bulbs around your home improves the view. Why not take this opportunity to get reacquainted with the nighttime sky? You don't need a telescope to see the major constellations, bright nebulas, open clusters, many of the planets, comets, meteors and dozens of man-made satellites and spacecraft.

It's not difficult to learn the ropes. If you're feeling old school, buy a simple star wheel. For easy pointers on nightly backyard observation highlights, try Sky and Telescope's The Week's Sky at a Glance. To spot orbital objects, such as the International Space Station, the Hubble Space Telescope, and a galaxy of satellites and discarded rocket boosters, create an account at Heavens Above (be sure to customize it for your location). And you can use your computer as a virtual planetarium with Stellarium, a free and full-featured 3D program that runs on Mac, Windows and Linux.

A set of inexpensive binoculars will expand your star-spotting capability. But all you really need is the desire to look up into the wonder of the night - and the blessings of a dark sky.

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Oh!! That Chris! Duh, the light goes on...no pun intended.

NY Times Article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/05/g...dxnnlx=1304550795-e9NdAakCqTTpM2Ci8R/fow


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First to the best of my knowledge there is no road. I dont know why we would think the town board would respect our wishes or the law for that matter. Everything is done for those who want to make a profit nothing to do with safety etc. Thats a joke, bad joke. If you think they care just look at GBE and Saca Chispas, San Mateo. Got to get them out and install some folks who respect the law and the environment.
FOR A FACT crime has risen with the road being opened just as Jan predicted and lights will do nothing. They have opened this without regard for law or reason. These are the kinds of decisions that have degraded San Pedro so much. Reef Village, South Beach, Sugar Caye, GBE, Saca Chispas, San Mateo, illegal road north. There are those who will deny till they die but facts are facts just open ur eyes and look around.
The bridge is trashed and can not carry those loads for long. The ONLY reason that happened was to help certain businesses have an unfair competitive edge over others and to allow the govt to have a road for the visiting dignitaries. Some very short sighted folks for sure. We have proven that developing as we do is absolutely not sustainable but we want to continue the same path until there is nothing left and the tourists look for a nicer place that has not been destroyed.
Sorry to offend but facts are facts and bad decisions are bad decisions but can be changed while the facts can not. These are the exact reasons I am running for office. We must save the island and try to restore it to its former grandeur by practicing sustainable development and rectifying these mistakes where possible. Give us a real bridge, police to patrol and a real road and I doubt you would have much complaint at all, as it is only favors a few by lowering their operating costs at the expense of many.

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