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"Who usally pays for home mortgages, car payments, utility bills, childrens tuition?"
You actually think that people living in poverty have a house, a car and children in college?
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Thank you Simon for helping point out part of the problem with such generalizations purported to seem as facts... What was mentioned in the so-called "facts" was that:
*Educated women re-invest 90% of their income in their families. Men invest 30 - 40%.
This doesn't specify if they are in poverty, if the men they say are educated or not. What do they consider as a reinvestment in the family? Without any substantiating info, it just sounds like a bunch of hyperbole
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Also, I might add that in the US, there should be an economic distinction made between poor and impoverished. The "poverty level" is (in my opinion) defined and yet somewhat vague. Kind of like grading on a curve, comparing it to the US standard of living. Irrelevant anywhere else in the world. My opinion. Needless to say, education is a key that may unlock a better standard of living for those who put in the time and have the drive. Education is a tool, nothing more. How skillfully you can wield that tool will determine the outcome.
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A reading of this thread offered me a small insight into why nothing ever gets fixed in Congress! While there is no doubt in anyone's mind that education, or lack thereof, is the problem, within moments the debate has degenerated into…. "It's your fault…no, it's your fault!" Here's a wild and crazy idea…how about some thoughts on how to FIX the problem? Then we can move onto the debt crisis, job creation, political corruption and special interests? Yes..of course I meant in Belize..it's not like this is US Chat 
It's rarely rocket science, it's usually just math: then again if you can't do the math.......
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Education does not indicate any exceptional intelligence. While the two are definitely not mutually exclusive, neither one is tied at the hip with the other. Just an observation (or what my family calls a bobservation). Hey Pug.. the reason our form of government would be so hard to overthrow is that you would have to get a bunch of people to AGREE to do it. 
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There isn't a cure all. Feeding and educating the third world will go a long way, but even that only goes so far if there are not opertunities.
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There isn't a cure all. Feeding and educating the third world will go a long way, but even that only goes so far if there are not opertunities.
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Here is a reprint of an article from 2006..
Milwaukee's Parental Choice Program, enacted with bipartisan support in 1990, provides private school vouchers to students from families at or below 175% of the poverty line. Its constitutionality has been supported by rulings from both the Wisconsin and U.S. Supreme Courts.
Yet [Wisconsin Governor Jim] Doyle, a union-financed Democrat, has vetoed three attempts to loosen the state law that limits enrollment in the program to 15% of Milwaukee's public school enrollment. This cap, put in place in 1995 as part of a compromise with anti-choice lawmakers backed by the unions, wasn't an issue when only a handful of schools were participating. But the program has grown steadily to include 127 schools and more than 14,000 students today. Wisconsin officials expect the voucher program to exceed the 15% threshold next year, which means Mr. Doyle's schoolhouse-door act is about to have real consequences.
"Had the cap been in effect this year," says Susan Mitchell of School Choice Wisconsin, "as many as 4,000 students already in the program would have lost seats. No new students could come in, and there would be dozens of schools that have been built because of school choice in Milwaukee that would close. They're in poor neighborhoods and would never have enough support from tuition-paying parents or donors to keep going."
A 2004 study of high school graduation rates by Jay Greene of the Manhattan Institute found that students using vouchers to attend Milwaukee's private schools had a graduation rate of 64%, versus 36% for their public school counterparts. Harvard's Caroline Hoxby has shown that Milwaukee public schools have raised their standards in the wake of voucher competition.(emphasis added)
The unions scored a separate "victory" in Florida three weeks ago when the state supreme court there struck down the Opportunity Scholarship Program. Passed in 1999, the program currently enrolls 700 children from chronically failing state schools, letting them transfer to another public school or use state money to attend a private school. Barring some legislative damage control, the 5-2 ruling means these kids face the horrible prospect of returning to the state's education hellholes next year.
The decision is a textbook case of results-oriented jurisprudence. The majority claimed the program violates a provision of Florida's constitution that requires the state to provide for "a uniform, efficient, safe, secure, and high quality system of free public schools." Because "private schools that are not 'uniform' when compared with each other or the public system" could receive state funds under the program, the majority deemed it unconstitutional.
What the Milwaukee and Florida examples show is that unions and their allies are unwilling to let even successful voucher experiments continue to exist. If they lose one court case, they will sue again-and then again, as long as it takes. And they'll shop their campaign cash around for years until they find a politician like Jim Doyle willing to sell out Wisconsin's poorest kids in return for their endorsement. Is there a more destructive force in American public life?
Anyone remember what going on in Wisconsin at the moment...Oh yeah...Union backed recall election, even though the budget is balanced and property taxes have gone down.
It's rarely rocket science, it's usually just math: then again if you can't do the math.......
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This information came to me via an official at USAID who is presently working in Mali.
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Pug along those lines the battle goes on. Imagine the thought of using performance as a measure.  The largest teachers' union in Massachusetts has filed a lawsuit in an effort to bar a ballot question that if approved in November could change the way teachers are evaluated. The Massachusetts Teachers Association complaint filed Monday with the Supreme Judicial Court alleges the question is in violation of the state constitution because it contains too many unrelated components and is confusing, affects the powers of the courts by restricting their ability to review arbitration cases, and is incomplete in its explanation. The union also says the question does not improve education as its supporters contend. The ballot question if passed would use performance rather than seniority when determining teacher layoffs. Stand for Children, the group that proposed the question, stands behind it. The attorney general's office says the question was properly certified. Read more: http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x66786951/Mass-teachers-sue-to-stop-ballot-question#ixzz1kJTH66py
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