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Funny you should say that. One of my competitors took my client database and contacts my clients on a regular basis. I thought this was unethical, but the person that did this considers it competitive business practice. So although things may not be conceived as ethical you as the client retain the right to decline such offerings.
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There are a lot of folks jumping to a lot of conclusions on this thread. There are always three sides to every story. Maybe we could channel all of this energy over to THIS thread for a while. //ambergriscaye.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/378747/HELP_Baby_Daniel.html#Post378747
Thanks Reaper - fyi Road Kill is running a second world cup sweepstake to help raise money for Baby Daniel. They handed over $320 to the family yesterday and hope to do the same again today. They are such kind hearted folks. Thanks a million to all that have given money or helped spread the word.
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And while this nonsense goes on, there are thankfully people who are in this (SAGA, Private Clinic, whatever) who have a genuine love and care for the animals who never asked to be born, mistreated or poisoned - people who spend time on this good work instead of raving on...
Seriously, during the nine years I spent on the island, SAGA always stood out as a group of unselfish people who have done miracles with very little money and against sometimes almost impossible odds, not only for the animals, but also as an eyeopener for lots of people in regards to animal welfare and decent behavior towards other living creatures.
Let's be thankful for this and move on... Yes, there seems to be trouble in Paradise (what's new?), but if someone decides to open up a private vet practice, so be it. Once people keep their fights in bars and bedrooms and leave the poor animals out of it, it'll all work. It can hardly be rocket science. SAGA should have a vet, and an additional private vet is an extra asset to the care for animals on the island.
You people are fighting like cats and dogs, while the real cats and dogs need you to settle you differences and agree about what's important.
I have two wonderful dogs who would probably not be alive, had it not been for SAGA. They have traveled around the world as living proof of SAGA's efficiency and will now be featured on a total of six full pages in two issues of a magazine here in Europe. I would hate for the article to end with an editor's note saying, "the humane society mentioned in this article no longer exists due to work permit issues, greed, politics and general mudslinging".
Now, why don't the agressive ones go to a corner of their room with a picture of a poor sick animal. Stand there for half an hour and feel ashamed of yourselves and then get together and figure out a way to work together and support each other in the Paradise that you are lucky enough to live in.
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this is like private doctors trying to shut down free clinics.
iluvbelize, peter, come on guys. You say the issue is for the animals and not about the people fighting behind the curtains, but all you've done is tried to protect pedro/lauri aka private vet by trying to deflect the negative attention to SAGA. Bravo. Try to be a little less hypocritical and contradictive.
I personally think if this is a matter of greed and it disgusts me. Unlike you two, i REALLY do believe that if this is the case the problem IS with the people trying to shut down SAGA, and that is what needs to be discussed. Petitions and donations alone ARE NOT going to do anything. The ROOT issue is what needs to be addressed.
Im sure if Outback steakhouse was trying to shut down homeless soup kitchens in Chicago it wouldn't fly too well. It doesn't make fiscal sense anyway, alot of the people that go to SAGA go there because they CANT afford a private vet. So if SAGA closes those people aren't all the sudden going to go to the new vet, you are just going to have more strays, more sick/dying dogs, and people will have no options at all.
It breaks my heart to see all the homeless dogs here. Imagine if SAGA wasnt spaying and neutering hundreds a week. There will be more dogs than people in no time, Poisonings will have to commence. Peter, THIS is why SAGAs needed.
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Dude you are on the bandwagon but have little background info or historical point of reference. This is not a matter of the private vet trying to shut down SAGA. It is not rich vs. poor, or any other ridiculous generalization at work here. It is complicated but that should NOT preclude the two entities working together to make certain all animals are provided with proper medical care when necessary, no matter what their financial means. It can be done - whether or not SAGA gets a vet license. It is a people problem not a political or administrative problem.
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iluvbelize - I agree with you. And Wiele too! Let's get to the brunt of the matter. Lets take care of the animals, people egos/loves and hates should be pushed aside.
Complicated is the perfect way to describe the situation.
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Weile, which I assume is Ebbe (?), good to see you around.
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Let's agree to disagree and move on: support SAGA!!
Live and let live
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It was said that it reached a peak when Laurie was the vet there, but what's happened since?
real subtle, wonder which side you're on I find it very difficult to be polite when faced with such total crap. Why don't you pull your head out and consider the facts? I am not on any side, or rather, I am on the side that produces a solution to this mess. I'd much prefer that there weren't sides. Check the records - fundraising was said to have reached a high when Laurie was there. Perhaps that was coincidence and unrelated to her, I don't know. I'd just like to know what's happened since. Peter, take you own advice and get your head out of the sand. The drivel you post makes it obvious you only listen to one side, and no-one at Saga has ever been asked questions by you. You know where I work, come around for a tea and a chat, I will give you some unbiased news. Not sure you will, I believe you post what you do purely as revenge for NOT being accepted as a Saga board member. And 'Iluvbelize', I have just given up reading your posts. Wow, twisted view or what???
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But what good is that petition? I'd sign it if I thought it would help SAGA, but I don't. SAGA is not in the dire state they would have us believe. I have no idea what their current finances are, of course, but I do know that if what I have heard is true they will be allowed to have a vet for humane society work. As I understand it they will not be able to operate a commercial vet clinic, the reason being that there is already one nearby. So unless SAGA can drive SPAH out of business, which I don't see happening any time soon (nor do I see it as desirable, and that has nothing to do with personalities) they have NO OPTION but to work with SPAH.
Of the 190 neuters/spays reported as having been performed, I wonder how many of those were for owners who otherwise could not have afforded to have had it done. I have the impression that a number of well-heeled people took advantage of the free offer. Is that a proper use of SAGA's resources - providing free veterinary services to people who can readily pay? And if the objective was to reduce the business stream for SPAH, that would have been as improper as it was futile.
I am curious on some aspects of that mass neutering program. Were they done according to best veterinary practice? Were all the appropriate drugs used, because I believe they are very costly? And who did them, given that SAGA doesn't have its own vet? Did they get special dispensation for their new vet or did they bring another vet in? Wow peter, that is a very brave statement. How many well healed pet owners did you see enter Saga for surgury ? was you counting ? Obviously not, because you would not have seen one person. Another blind accusation. Not one pet was done where the owner could afford the hundreds charged at the other clinic.
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Grant - this is no way to spend your birthday. No battle will be won or lost on the message board. You gotta take certain opinions with a grain of salt. Look at the big picture and focus on the real issues. All the rest of this chatter just clogs up the airwaves and upsets and frustrates all of us.
This too will pass.
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