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74% of poll rejects proposed 9th Constitution Amendment

Still on the ninth amendment, we asked our viewers earlier this week: Do you agree that your rights are being eroded if constitutional amendments are unchallenged in the courts? The rejection of the proposed bill is evident in the results of our online poll. Seventy-four percent of the persons who voted said yes; that's a wide margin over the remaining twenty-six percent who said no.

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Churches pass judgment on 9th Amendment

Canon Leroy Flowers

The ninth amendment by which government proposes to alter the constitution to give parliament supremacy is the hottest topic of discussion in most quarters. Public consultations are scheduled to commence on Wednesday, but already a number of organizations including the Bar Association and the Chamber of Commerce have weighed in, objecting to government's position to enact the far-reaching piece of legislature which goes beyond enshrining ownership of public utilities in the constitution. The latest to come forward with its position is the Council of Churches, which says that it has now concluded its research on the ramifications of the amendment if passed. In a statement issued today the Council objects to the proposed amendment of Section Two of the Constitution; stating; "Any amendments to the Constitution which are inconsistent with the fundamental principles set forth in the Constitution, particularly the preamble, is beyond the law making authority of the National Assembly since such laws cannot be for the peace order or good government of Belize." President of the Council of Churches Canon Leroy Flowers today further explained their position on the proposed changes.

Canon Leroy Flowers, President, Belize Council of Churches

"As a body we think that this is a very important change that the government has put forward and while the church is in full support of the government's cling to nationalize the utilities if that in its wisdom they feel that's the right thing to do. That is different from making such fundamental changes in our constitution and that is where the Council has much problems. And so in the statement which was worked on last week and issued today, we say in the statement that we fully support government's right to nationalize the utilities but we ask and we would humbly submit to government that to make changes to Section 2 and Section 29 of our constitution fundamentally will change what we understand the way by which we are governed and that is our understanding and that is our position on this matter."

Isani Cayetano

"It would seem to some as though there was a delay or time had passed before the church actually brought forward its position on the matter. Can you speak to us that?"

Canon Leroy Flowers

"No. There is no delay. First of all the consultation will begin on Wednesday so we will be putting forward our position on the consultation headed by the honorable Minister of Education or, as I understand, the former Attorney General who will be acting as chair in his absence. So there is no delay. Secondly, we did not just want to rush to judgment. We felt it was important to seek careful analysis of this matter, prayerful thought and legal advice as to the way in which we should go. So remember, this is all a legal document that the government has put forward and we needed to be very sure in our own minds collectively that this is our position, this is our understanding. And so last week we spent considerable time in discussion. We formulated the statement which we issued today but by the time we were ready the week had already passed and we thought since there is still enough time, the consultation begins on Wednesday, we send out the statement today. So there is no delay at all, this was always on the forefront of the many things that we are grappling with."

The Belize Council of Churches, in the release, also does not support "the proposed bar on the jurisdiction of the courts to inquire into its constitutionality, legality or validity of the acquisitions nor any derogation of the rights of the former owner of these utilities."

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Dickie Bradley gives his objections on 9th Amendment

The proposed ninth amendment to sections sixty-nine and two of the constitution should go back to the House of Representatives in October following ninety days of public airing. This Wednesday night, the first round of consultations will take place in the nation's media center. It begins at seven o’clock at the Holy Redeemer Parish Hall and is expected to be heated with arguments coming from both sides of the political divide. Both government and the opposition are mobilizing for the event, which will test whether or not there is support for the proposal that many say will limit the court in its review of constitutional amendments. The Bar Association, the P.U.P. and the Chamber of Commerce and independent attorneys have rejected the amendment so far. Attorney Richard Bradley says that it is absolutely not true that as it stands, the courts are not required to review the contents of claims to the constitution.

Richard "Dickie" Bradley, Attorney

Richard "Dickie" Bradley

"If the people who are saying man, dah weh dehn people di talk bout, it was always like this from 1981, the courts could not challenge the contents of any change to the constitution. We are proposing in our new section two is nothing new, we're just stating this so it can be clearer. That is absolutely not so. But this important point comes to the fore. If we now find out that our constitution is not supreme, oh my goodness, we mi think all di while dat we had wah-if the leaders of this country say that the lawyers … are telling them this document, this dah noh di supreme law yoh know. Parliament, they are supreme, they can make-if they are saying that, then they have a duty and a responsibility to hurry tek out whatever deh een yah dat makes us not have a constitution which is supreme.

The present government of Belize was elected in February, 2008. By April-February, yoh got march then April-by April they had already introduced and did the first reading to amend the constitution of Belize by April to include many things that are suspect and I'll come to the many things shortly. But it also included these two; one was preventative detention. Two months afta dehn get eena office. It was never a manifesto pledge, it was never a discussion with the people that how we will solve the crime problem is that we will lock them up. We noh want hear bout no court or no procedure, we wah just lock dem up. That was never discussed man. The other one William, which now when you are looking back in hind sight it is good to be wise. The other one was that if petroleum or other minerals were found under your land, they can take away your land and give it to weh dehn call, contractors. That's the word they used in the first draft. You can't go dah di Supreme Court-dehn try dis already yoh know-you can't go dah Supreme Court fi dat. But how dehn could tek my land and I noh wah get no compensation? They were denying access to the court two months after they got in office."

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Constitution Chairman says 9th is about Ashcroft

Arthur Saldivar

And if anyone was wondering what the true motive is for this Ninth Amendment Bill that has stirred a hornet's nest in Belize the answer was provided by Minister John Saldivar, Acting Chairman of the Constitution and Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday night. Minister Saldivar made the comments to answer the other Saldivar, Arthur the attorney.

Arthur Saldivar, P.U.P. Rural North Standard Bearer

"Subsection two of the constitution and section sixty-nine subsection nine. What do these two sections have to do with nationalization of public utilities? What do these two sections have to do with B.T.L. and B.E.L. and BWSL? That's my first question. Secondly; as it relates to nationalization, certainly all of us in this room would agree: we want to have ownership of these utilities-that's no dispute-I am a hundred percent for ownership of the utilities. But why stop there? Why give the Honduran Banco Atlantida, the cane industry? Why not nationalize BNE? We are on nationalization come on now. Let's talk about nationalization. Why not give a Belizean jurist the Chief Justice position? Why not give a Belizean jurist the Chief Magistrate position? Why not give a Belizean the solicitor general position? Let's be nationalistic, let's be nationalistic; come on!"

John Saldivar

John Saldivar

"What changing section two and sixty-nine has to do with public utilities is to put it out of the reach of Michael Ashcroft. We have had instances where previous governments have used the Courts to say to the Court that we have no interests in collecting monies that belong to the Belizean people. We want to make sure that no future government can ever go to court and say that we have no interests in upholding the amendment to the constitution that requires government to have fifty-one percent ownership of the utilities."

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BELIZEANS COME OUT FOR FIRST PUBLIC CONSULTATION ON NINTH AMENDMENT

The first public consultation on the proposed Belize Constitution Ninth amendment was held last night in Belize City.

Marion Ali reporting...
"The first in a series of public consultations on the government's proposed Ninth Amendment Bill was held last night at the Holy Redeemer Parish Hall in Belize City. Following a detailed presentation of the bill by Solicitor General Cheryl Krusen the floor was open for comments. And as was anticipated, it made for a lively discussion and even a moment when the police were asked to intervene to keep law and order. Chairman of the forum, Minister of Public Service, John Saldivar, opened the event.

John Saldivar - Chairman
"I just want to caution people or persons that make interventions tonight and in future hearings that we don't want to turn these hearings into a road show which means that we will give preference to persons in these hearings that have not made interventions before."

One person who has been vociferous over the Ninth Amendment Bill and has vehemently objected it is Senator Lisa Shoman. Last night she read the Bar Association's position paper on the Bill, and then things got heated between her and Saldivar.

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
"The Bar Association calls on the Government to withdraw this proposed amendment in its entirety. There is not one single constitution that has ever sought to bar natural justice...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Thank you...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
And Mr Chairman, no, Mr Chairman you are going to hear me out....

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Thank you...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
Mr. Chairman, no, I will not yield...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Can we have the next speaker please? Ms. Shoman I gave you ample opportunity to speak....

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
Mr. Chairman...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
You took the opportunity to expound the Bar's position, I gave you an opportunity to expound your own position...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
This is not a debate Mr. Chairman, this is not a debate

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
There are many people behind you....

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
You are here to listen to us...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Ms. Shoman I ask you to wrap up...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
I will, I will Mr Chairman...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
I give you 30 seconds to wrap up...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
Beautiful, as soon as they get quiet...

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman

I give you 30 seconds to wrap up...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
As soon as they get quiet....

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Can we have silence please?

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
Mr. Chairman, this Committee is here....

Minister John Saldivar - Chairman
Can we have silence please? 30 seconds Ms. Shoman...

Senator Lisa Shoman - Participant
Thank you Mr. Chairman. This Committee is here to listen to the people, not to debate with it, not to scold it."

And then there were those who supported, but with concerns, such as Second Vice President of the Public Service Union, Jacqueline Willoughby-Sanchez, and others.

Jacqueline Willoughby Sanchez - Second Vice President, PSU
"Let me make it absolutely clear that whereas the Trade Unions are concerned we are absolutely in support of the Government owning utilities so there can be no qualms about that. However the Solicitor General made reference to that section in the Constitution where the certificate of the speaker is concerned and as I review that section it was made specific to section two, three and four as it determine that cannot be questioned in a court of law which in my mind shows that section to be specific whereas the new section nine is concerned that appears to be a little bit overreaching and my question would be, if in fact we are gearing this at whomever that they cannot come and challenge that in court why are we not making that section more in tune with the claiming of the utilities as opposed to making it so broad."

President of the Belize Council of Churches, Father Leroy Flowers, also joined in.

Canon Leroy Flowers - President, Belize Council of Churches
"One of our major concerns as a Church is that we are missing the opportunity to dialogue among ourselves, to listen to each other, without calling aspersions and names at each other. One is no more Belizean is one is for or against, that is a part of our democracy."

The consultation ended without incident and similar discussions are being planned for other locations across the country.

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9th Amendment supported by the people

Hundreds of Belize City and Belize district residents made their way to the Holy Redeemer Parish Hall as the consultations on the 9th constitutional amendment began on Wednesday August 10th. As it had been expected there was a large crowd of supporters to the amendment, wearing t-shirts and carrying placards they came out to the Parish Hall to show their support for the government's move to entrench utilities in the constitution so that they always remain in the possession of the people.

The evening began with a presentation by the solicitor general Cheryl Krusen, who painstakingly explained the constitutional amendment and what it meant. She drew examples from other Caribbean countries like Trinidad and Jamaica where similar clauses exist in their constitutions. She also pointed out that amendments are not a strange occurrence and said that in the Bahamas the constitution was amended 10 times in one year. After her presentation Hon. John Saldivar who chaired the proceedings explained that the amendment is one that has been the most discussed and has drawn the most interest. He added that people need to understand what the government is doing and that there is no need to fear what is taking place. Then the floor was opened to questions.

With over 600 people in the parish hall, the event took on a lively atmosphere with the naysayers taking the first spots in the queue. There was nothing new to their rhetoric with the likes of Bullet, Anthony Sylvester and Francis Smith taking their party's agenda to the microphone. Lisa Shoman who has been parading herself at every media house also took to the microphone and she minced no words in saying that the bar association did not support the bill. She went as far as to say that she did not agree with the entire bill. Taking a departure from the stance which she was first pushing; that is that only section 9 of 69 she was not in agreement with. To no one's surprise she now publicly said that she does not want the people of Belize to own the utilities. That is she does not want the Belizean people to own the Electricity, Water and Telephone companies. This surprised no one as she is the very person who dropped a claim by the Social Security Board to 3.34 million which a court had ordered be paid back to the institution.

After the PUP's had lined up to push their agenda, it was time for the real public to speak. Invariably one after the other those who lined up to take to the microphone supported the constitutional amendment. After all they know the benefits of owning the utilities. Some even went further to express that maybe it is time for the people to own our oil.

Similar consultations will be held across the country in the coming weeks.

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Editorial: The 9th Amendment to the Constitution An opportunity like never before

In Belize, we are fortunate to be at an early and relatively unspoiled stage of our development, and can learn from the virtual global laboratory of the last half-century of change; we can now develop a form of democracy and an economic model that best suits us. We can now design our country's political and development agenda in a way that can make the best use of our unique advantages; namely our small population, our abundant and accessible natural resources, and the advantageous geopolitical niche in which we find ourselves.

The principles of democracy and freedom in the late 20th Century sponsored a global evolution into a new neo-liberal era with the goal being the enlightenment, empowerment and enrichment for all. Western ideology won a seemingly overwhelming victory over socialism with the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of the Asian economic powerhouses, but a new hybrid model of guided democracy seems to be taking the lead, as evidenced by the obvious shift of Western-style economic and political power to the East. Leading this roller coaster ride are several economic and political global winners like China, Brazil, Russia and India, and in its wake lies a wide field of Western ideology fed cadavers of what was believed to be the ideal models for national development.

The pundits on the anti 9th Amendment side of the debate seem to believe that the secret to sustainable national development lies in the principle of ultimate and unfettered freedom for all. These same pundits seem to believe that the People's Will, as enacted by the representatives elected by the majority, and embodied in our Constitution, should not be absolute, but should be kept in check by the Courts. That is to say, that a benevolent, democratically elected government's actions to develop a supreme framework for national development, using the principle of good governance should not be allowed. That the will of a Court, possibly a single Judge, possibly a foreign Judge in a foreign country could invalidate the decisions by the greater good, for the greater good, in favor of an individual plaintiff, represented by a talented advocate.

If we look back at where unbridled freedom has brought the Western democracies over the last three decades, we may want to rethink and refine this principle. Unchecked freedom by Wall Street to create artificial wealth in the imaginations of fundamentally free-to-borrow-despite-the-risk Americans has led today from a once globally envied US economy to one that is teetering on the edge of sovereign default at the hands of a non-free China. Bringing that example home; if the anti 9th Amendment lobby have their way, a new freedom will emerge for individual challenge of the ultimate Will of the People in the courts, using legal arguments instead of the principles of greater good as debated in the National Assembly, the People's Forum. It is without a doubt that the challenger with the deepest pockets and the smartest lawyers will often get their way; chalk one up for unbridled freedom of the Ashcroft/Wall Street ideology. We must always remember that with excessive individual freedoms come individual excesses and abuse; and any principle of governance must balance freedoms against the national good, as expressed by the Will of the People, not the decisions of the court.

The 9th Amendment gives an intelligent, benevolent, popular, democratically elected government, with a 2/3 or ¾ majority, the power to design an economic/political model that is relevant to our times, and that can propel our country into a successful era of sustainable growth. Now one can argue that it is rare that an elected government may have all the traits just described. It can also be argued that once we elect a government, a submission of our will to their best judgment could be a dangerous move. History, however, has proven otherwise.

The more successful small nation economies today all stem from a system whereby the leaders were given the leverage to make decisions that may have seemed on the surface to be anti-freedom, but in the long run have proven themselves through positive results of sustainable and balanced economies with equal share of wealth for all. Singapore is an excellent example of this. Today's Singapore is a shining example of a productive, clean, disciplined, prosperous democracy, where the citizens today value their national freedom and quality of life over individual abuses. This example is repeated in countries like Chile, Botswana, Taiwan, and even next-door in neighboring Mexico, where an unparalleled era of citizen prosperity and productivity is clearly evident, under a working balance between authority and citizen rights for the greater good.

We often lament about the good old days of Belize; the more innocent days of clean and safe streets and polite neighbors. There is no reason why anyone should be poor, uneducated or hungry, but the reality is that the unfettered freedom that we so value has allowed the type of corruption that has led to the deterioration of our society. At the top level, our political and business leaders are free to take advantage of public assets and public funds for their own personal benefit and that of their friends. The same wealthy class is free from taxes either because of loopholes, connections or just pure corruption, while the middle class bears the brunt of the tax burden.

At the lower level, our society is free to litter, free to abuse their families, free to deny their children good parenting and mandatory education, and free to associate openly with known criminal gangs. Why is it that the various anti-Amendment pundits don't cry for harsher laws and penalties to curb the abuses that our freedoms have allowed us, and that have led to the societal decay we see today? No doubt these same pundits, in the name of personal freedom, will demand that the necessary legislative changes to mend society must be tested by the courts, even if decreed by our elected leaders, in an act of parental benevolence.

On this, the eve of our 30th Anniversary of our independence, the 9th Amendment of the Constitution of Belize is a groundbreaking opportunity for us to finally do it right. The opportunity that has presented itself under a popular and justified cause of public ownership of public utilities, versus corrupt accommodation agreements creating pseudo-monopolies, extends beyond this one positive outcome. So many ills plague us today, and so many habits that exist in the guise of personal freedom need to be changed. Despite the public cry for tougher measures to curb gang violence, for example, the Preventative Detention Legislation, a tough alternative for a swift treatment of the crime problem suffered a second stillbirth in the name of personal freedom. While I am in no way a proponent of a police state, I will say that as a law abiding citizen, I have no fear of being detained, and would willingly trade that risk for the chance that our streets can be cleaned up of the scum that rule with the constant exchange of unlicensed gunfire.

Today the debate rages on as the anti 9th Amendment lawyers argue for their hefty fees from well-funded paymasters. The selfish quest to be right not by virtue of the truth, but by virtue of being the best, most well-paid advocate, trumps the need for our society to rally behind an initiative that can change our direction. The ideologies that we were taught in school; the denigration of strong handed leadership and socialism, the praise of un-checked freedom and capitalism, are proving to be less than accurate as we witness the slow financial and political collapse of the West right before our very eyes. This paradigm shift in the geopolitical center opens the door for Belize to find a comfortable middle between the ideologies of the West and the more practical, socially sensitive and sustainable models that have endured.

The conversation needs to change, and the experts on constitutional law must first decide where they want our beloved country to be in the next 10 years and we must all agree on a way forward, and quickly. Any agreement, however, must include a clear definition that the ultimate decision lies in the Will of the People, executed by the representatives that have been duly elected and empowered with the requisite majority to carry out that Will, and this is clearly reaffirmed in the 9th Amendment.

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The bias of the Guardian's editorial is not surprising and is laid bare for all to see.
The "anti 9th amendement lobby' which consists of a large number of people in this country backed by The Bar Association (well what would they know about laws and constitution?) the Belize Council of Churches, the Belize Chamber of Commerce, senior statesman and Senators and many other bodies. Some lobby huh?
The other night the government had to pack a meeting with its supporters with minders denying entry to ordinary folk hoping to take part in a consultation. So much for consultation. Clearly the government is afraid to ask the people what they think. better to make a lot of noise and TELL them what they think.
And as for the suggestion that the Belizean people can leave the big decisions to the elected house, I presume the editor is referring to the bear garden that passes for the House of Representatives in Belmopan. Orange throwing catcalling and walk outs included.
"The right to challenge in court is of course not so important, just trust me......Its the will of the people who elected us."
WOW!
The editor makes the frequent nieve assertion that all we need to do to end crime in our streets is to enact new laws. Preventative detention for instance. Just lock people up and deny them their rights.
We don't need new laws, we need the existing laws to be enforced which they are not. New laws will achieve no more than the existing laws.
I am quite certain that PD will re emerge as soon as 69.9 is passed. Then we will be well on the way to a dictatorship. Not perhaps under Mr Barrow but who knows who will follow him?

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Ah fraid fu Section 69!

Over 500 Belizeans turned out to the first consultation on the Belize Constitution (Ninth) Amendment Bill, held at The Holy Redeemer Parish Hall in Belize City on Wednesday night. The atmosphere was thick with political tensions, as both the ruling United Democratic Party (UDP) and the Opposition People's United Party (PUP) drew supporters to the venue to cheer on their differing stances on the proposed bill.

John Saldivar, the acting chairman of the Constitution and Foreign Affairs Committee, which led last night's consultation, said that of all the constitutional amendments they have made, this has been "the most discussed" and has "evoked the most interest..."

There were notably more people who spoke from the floor against the proposed 9th amendment than those who spoke in favor of it. Political party reps at the head table expressed positions that were split completely down party lines - "yes" for the UDP and "no" for the PUP.

Some of those who spoke from the floor were aligned with either of the two mass parties. The third parties did not make a visible showing at the Belize City consultation.

Anthony Sylvestre, legal advisor to the Opposition People's United Party, called on the UDP to cease its "naked power grab" and remove the offending changes proposed, particularly the language to shut out the court's jurisdiction.

While the PUP brought strong-talk, the UDP mobilized many more heads and they appeared as if in campaign mode with party political T-shirts. Their officials went the extra mile to print promotional T-shirts that call on Belizeans to support the amendment, "Utilities for Belizeans." These were circulated beforehand and at the consultation. (We are not sure who picked up the tab.)

Caught in the fray were ordinary citizens and representatives of the social partners, some of who shied away from posing their questions or making comments, for fear of humiliation from political supporters in the isles, whose boisterous heckling and booing oftentimes drowned the voices of opposition against the proposed bill.

A classic case of this was experienced by Cicely Kelly, who declared herself to be neither UDP nor PUP. She underscored the point that the elected representatives of Parliament have been elected to govern, not to rule. She said "no" to the 9th Amendment, but the hecklers would not permit much of her words to be heard either by those attending the event or those listening on-air via live broadcast.

The distractions failed, however, to overshadow the overwhelming voice of concern over the proposed alterations of the Constitution that would purport to block court enquiries into future Constitutional amendments.

Lionel Smith, a law student who supports the move to put the utilities into government hands, raised a question on the possible implications of the amendment: "Can we confidently cross our hearts that there won't be other laws that would interfere with our way of life?"

There were multiple appeals from the floor for the government to put the matter to a referendum to allow the people to express their will on this matter.

"People seem to forget that there was an election in 2008. That was when this government received the mandate of the people," responded Saldivar. "And this government not only received a mandate of the people - it received a three-fourths majority mandate of the people."

Under the Constitution, the ruling party can use that majority to alter the fundamental rights and freedoms enshrined in section 2 of the constitution, and no referendum is required in law before they do so.

Saldivar said that, "The power that these people [the opponents of the bill] want to give to the court will allow the court to overturn the amendment, even after, if it is passed after a referendum."

The Barrow administration has contended that as long as constitutional amendments are made via the correct procedure, such as obtaining that three-fourth majority support, they cannot be touched by any court of law.

One speaker from the floor said that technically, Prime Minister Dean Barrow has said that with the 9th Amendment, he has the power to declare himself prime minister for life. Saldivar responded sharply that he would not allow the public forum to be used to pass on mistruths.

What is more telling than the ratio of opponents to proponents, is the fact that all the interest groups and associations who weighed in, spoke against the Section 69 amendment (which says that no one can challenge any change to the constitution "on any ground whatsoever" once Parliament follows the right process in passing it).

Particularly concerned are the social partners who have representation in the upper House of Parliament, the Senate. Among them are the Belize Council of Churches and The National Trade Union Congress of Belize.

The Belize Bar Association and Belizeans for Justice and Citizens for Safety also registered their positions.

Neither the churches, unions nor the private sector support the 9th Amendment. The Belize Chamber of Commerce, which has gone on record to express its disagreement with the 9th Amendment, did not speak at the consultation. We understand that it has, though, submitted a paper to the National Assembly stating its position.

The social partners are collectively concerned that the proposed change to Section 69 has the potential to lead the way for future changes in the Constitution that would negatively alter citizens' rights beyond legal challenge, stripping the citizenry of a very important protective mechanism enshrined in the judiciary for the protection of civil liberties and human rights.

"As far as we are concerned on the government side, no right is being taken away from any citizen...," asserted chairman Saldivar.

Saldivar said that as the Constitution now stands, your rights can be taken away if these rights prejudice the freedom and rights of others and/or it is in the public interest.

"This amendment is in the public interest," he declared.

Jackie Willoughby-Sanchez, of the National Trade Union Congress of Belize and the Public Service Union, said that whereas the unions are in absolute support of the government owning the utilities, they are very concerned about the planned alteration to Section 69.

"If, in fact, we are gearing this at whomever, that they cannot come and challenge in court, why not make this more specific to the claiming of utilities as opposed to making [it] so broad?" Sanchez-Willoughby questioned.

Canon Leroy Flowers, president of the Belize Council of Churches, said that they are concerned about proposed changes to section 2, in addition to section 69 of the Belize Constitution. Section 2's changes add a provision that declare that sections within the same Constitution cannot be voided for inconsistency.

Even if the positions of the social partners remain unchanged, the United Democratic Party has the numbers at both levels of Parliament to have its way. It has the required simple majority in the Senate, in addition to a supermajority below.

As the law stands now, the court has the power to grant a stay, to hold back the hands of members of the executive - ministers of government, from taking the bill to the Governor-General, so that he cannot sign it into law until the court is able to make a finding on the matters in question.

That is the essence of the case that has been lodged by the British Caribbean Bank against the Government at the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ). They are asking the court to bar ministers from procuring the Governor General's signature until further order of the court, because they are challenging the July 4, 2011, re-nationalization of Belize Telemedia Limited (BTL).

Additionally, the Government is challenging a recent Court of Appeal ruling which overturned the 2009 nationalization of BTL, although it has also moved to issue new provisions under the Belize Telecommunications Act to retake BTL. It is moving further, now, to enshrine the nationalization into the Belize Constitution-which is what has sparked the current debate. Before the public had its say on the proposed bill, Solicitor General Cheryl Krusen delivered a slide presentation to expound on the legal features of the proposal.

At the start of the event, chairman Saldivar said the discussion is "healthy, useful" - but about 40 minutes into the comments and questions segment, he lost control of the proceedings and had to briefly suspend the sitting.

Solicitor General Krusen said the purpose of the bill is to ensure that the government maintains majority ownership and control of the public utility companies "at all times."

Krusen also said, however, that the Constitution is "living" and has to be changed to adapt to the times. She also cited the case of Trinidad and Tobago, which has, since Independence, "thrown out" its old constitution and replaced it with the new.

She did not highlight the fact that with the right number of votes from elected members of Parliament, any part of the Constitution, including the parts enshrining nationalization of public utilities, can be undone. Nowhere in the bill does it say what percentage of votes is required to alter nationalization provisions. An attorney we spoke with said that it appears that only a simple majority is required to undo the nationalization clauses.

The organization Belizeans for Justice, in a press release reaching our news desk hours before the consultation, said that the change in the constitution should only be allowed if the people agree via a referendum. They say that they do support the nationalization, but are concerned about the clause which purports to strip access to courts for constitutional challenges.

"Access to justice through the courts is the cornerstone of our democracy," the organization says.

Krusen said that once the proper procedure is applied, a constitutional change passed by Parliament is "absolutely valid."

She said that at the end of the day, changes still have to be in agreement with the Constitution. If they are not, then they can be challenged.

"There is absolutely no loss of rights to the courts," said Krusen. "I've have been practicing for the past 30 years and I can tell you... that is not true. It is simply not true."

Senior Counsel Lisa Shoman, who said she was speaking on behalf of more than 120 members of the Bar Association, who have a collective legal wisdom of about 6 or 7 hundred years, read their position into the record.

Speaking specifically of the proposed changes to Sections 2 and 69, Shoman said, "The Bar calls on government to withdraw its proposal in its entirety."

As for the new Section 145, which sets out the nationalization clauses, she said that the Bar's position is that Government should withdraw the proposed amendment or make such amendments as may be necessary or sufficient to access courts in accordance with section 17 of the Constitution.

When Shoman pointed out that none of the other clauses in the Constitution that purport to limit court enquiries into certain acts of the other two arms of government, the executive and the judiciary, use the words "on any ground whatsoever," the heckling and booing began.

"That is new language which is being added to the Constitution. Words ... have meaning," Shoman declared.

Gilroy Usher, Jr., son of the Port Loyola PUP political aspirant, said that with the 9th Amendment in place, the Barrow administration can bring back the proposals in the 8th Amendment, such as preventative detention, and citizens won't be able to challenge it in court. He also said that the Barrow administration should be focusing on fulfilling manifesto promises, addressing poverty and other social ills, and described Port Loyola as one of the City's most neglected areas.

"The time for you to express that concern is at election time," Saldivar responded to Usher. "Right now we are talking about the 9th Amendment."

Loyalists of UDP's Port Loyola area representative, Hon. Anthony "Boots" Martinez, who had bussed hundreds to the consultation, forcing a traffic diversion, heckled and booed him, as well.

"There are many, many, many people who don't know what the Constitution really, really is," said John Brackett, representing Belizeans for Justice and Citizens of Safety. He also expressed concerns on the proposed limits to court redress, and said that the organizations do not support the 9th Amendment.

Poet, political aspirant and activist, Erwin X, said that he was initially barred entry to the consultation venue on the claim that the place was too full. He later got assistance to gain access, but described the refusal of entry as "a derailment of the process."

Erwin X questioned: How can the government say the Constitution will not be amended so our rights will not be infringed when we are living in infringement right now?

Deborah Miller asked where the person was who presented the proposed 9th Amendment: "Do I see him in this building? No." (That person is Prime Minister Dean Barrow, who has been on personal leave in Los Angeles.)

In response to her, Saldivar said that the bill already has the support of National Assembly members; it is not an initiative of Mr. Barrow.

"Each and every one of us in the National Assembly supports this bill. I didn't say you, us - you are not a part of us," he commented.

Although the Barrow administration is advancing the 9th Amendment, it is, however, not fait accompli - not a done deal. Consultations are due to continue after the September celebrations subside towards the end of next month. In late October, the 90-day window period will expire for the bill to go through its second reading and parliamentary debate.

"This is not a red and a blue thing!" said an elder citizen of northern Belize, who is a shareholder of BTL. He was heckled all the way through his presentation, but expressed his views, nonetheless. He said that the mandate of the ruling party is to serve the people as best as they can, to educate the people, and he wants the public utilities to be run rightly and for the rates to be reduced.

One concerned citizen asked, "When will we see some benefit [from the nationalization of BTL] in lower rates?"

In excess of $20 million has accrued in dividend payments, which has been spent on the goods and services provided to the people of Belize, responded Saldivar.

Some people at the forum expressed the view that Government should not stop its nationalization agenda at the public utilities, but it should also go after the nationalization of oil companies.

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78% of poll says no to the 9th Amendment

The controversial ninth amendment has stirred up emotions and there have been heated debates over the proposed bill. We asked our viewers this week if the government wants to nationalize utilities do you think it should remove people's rights under the Belize Constitution to challenge such nationalizations in court?

Seventy-eight percent of voters said no to the barring of judicial review while twenty-two percent said yes. One viewer commented on our blog that "Once the legislation passes that prohibits challenges, democracy has clearly taken a backseat to communist control and we can forget about attracting any business to Belize."

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More voices from first public consultation

There was more opposition than there was support to the Ninth Amendment at Wednesday night's consultations at the Holy Redeemer Parish Hall. There was also plenty politics at play. Those who oppose the amendment base their objections on the removal of the right to access the court for full ventilation of claims to future amendments to the constitution. The three-hour public hearing also heard impassioned pleas for its withdrawal. On Thursday night, we brought you part one of the consultations and tonight News Five's Jose Sanchez has additional coverage on the event.

Jose Sanchez, Reporting

The yard of the Holy Redeemer Parish Hall was swamped with party supporters, members of the general public, and police officers to keep them at bay, as by seven p.m. all seats were filled inside the auditorium. The present constitution and proposed changes inside the ninth amendment were explained by the Solicitor General.

Cheryl Krusen, Solicitor General

Cheryl Krusen

"The proposed amendment, we numbered the subsections because it is introducing this subsection two. You remember we spoke that if any other law is inconsistent with the constitution, it shall be void. Well what the proposed amendment says now that the other law includes, does not include a law to alter the provisions of the constitution as long as those alterations have been passed in accordance with section 69. Section 69 is the section which has to ensure that a certain procedure is adhered to, is respected to amend the constitution. So the words other law do not include a law to alter any of the provisions of the constitutions which means therefore that once the process of section 69 has been complied with then that is deemed to be absolutely valid and in conformity with the constitution. That is what the proposal to section 2 does. We are using this opportunity that ninety day period to have these consultations. It does not say in existing section 69 that you have to have consultations, but this has become I would say the convention of the people of Belize that they do look forward to these consultative undertakings. And we look at Section 5(a) where you have a simple majority. So essentially to amend the constitution as it now exists in section 69, there are certain provisions that require three-quarters majority, some are two-thirds majority and some are simple majority-that is what the present section 69 says. The existing section 69, as I have just explained it, remains-that has not changed. All of those provisions that I have spoken to you about still remain in the proposed 9th Amendment. The only difference to section 69 as the 9th Amendment would seek to do is to include a new subsection, which is subsection 9. And that subsection is a subsection which is seeking to remove all doubts by declaring that there is no limitation-whether substantive or procedural-on the power of the national assembly, which is the power given by the existing 69, to alter any provisions of the constitution and once it is passed in conformity with section 69, then it shall not be open to challenge in court-an ouster clause; the same thing like the Speaker of the House cannot be inquired into any court of law. That is what section 69 as is proposed does."

The government's perspective on the ninth has been opposed by the Council of Churches, the Belize Chamber of Commerce, the Bar Association of Belize, Belizeans For Justice and the People's United Party. Amidst the throng of "till I die" P.U.P. and U.D.P. supporters were a few sole voices who had their own vision and concerns.

Captain Nicholas Sanchez

Captain Nicholas Sanchez

"I have no political party. I'm a Belizean patriot. I support the 9th amendment, but I'd like to hear it go a little bit further-over oil, whatever minerals are found on the ground, under the ground, and in the sea and under the sea bed. Everything we should have a part of. Maybe this will raise us from seven percent in the oil industry to fifty one percent. We need to have our national resources."

Roque Reyes, Orange Walk Resident

Roque Reyes

"I want to support it, but with knowledge. And I think for you to just say I will pass the 9th amendment; it's good to start with it. It's good to start with it, but let's educate our people. You know why I don't support it? Not because of what I don't know, but what I have seen in the past. First of all, with due respect, what has been happening when you don't respect the Court. The Courts have not been respected. To me I can't stand that really because the Courts supposed to be the one to be respected. What makes it funny is that the first day people respected it. I saw people walking from that place respecting it, coming out of the office of B.T.L. and three days time; they figure something out to get in back. That's playing and this is serious thing. Next thing is; I support the utilities that we should own it as Belizeans, but rightly run to make money and to reduce for all of us the rates. B.T.L. for instance, I have shares in it; I haven't heard anything from this is happening. What is happening to us? Not because you have a mandate means you are the supreme my friend. I respect you because you are elected okay. I respect your position, but sometimes I don't respect the man itself."

And though the government fielded most questions, also seated at the head table was the Leader of the Opposition who gave his party's views at the close of the session.

John Briceño

John Briceño, Leader of the Opposition

"We want to make it absolutely clear to everyone that when it comes to the issue of nationalizations that the People's United Party is not against nationalization. The constitution of Belize, section 17 provides for nationalization in Belize, but there is a process that must be followed. The problem that we have and why is it that we are against on the amendment to the constitution is that one; it bars citizens in certain conditions form going to the court. I believe that citizens must always have access to the court. Secondly, Mr. Chairman, for us it is very important that the constitution must always be supreme-the supreme law of the land. The concern that we have here is where you're say that a law passed by the National Assembly to alter any of the provisions of this constitution which is passed in conformity with this section shall not be open to challenge in any court of law on any ground whatsoever. Basically what this is saying is that as long as you follow the process, any amendment to the constitution, could not be challenged. We believe that is dangerous-that we should allow every citizen, any citizen, to at any time to challenge any changes to the constitution be it whatever government we have in the National Assembly. Thank you Mister Chairman and good night."

The lingering question on the proposed ninth amendment is whether or not the show of support for Red and Blue will continue to drown out or discourage the non-affiliated from attending future consultations. Reporting for News Five, Jose Sanchez.

The second round of consultations will be held in Belmopan on August twenty-fourth.

Channel 5


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